May 23, 2008

R&FF Retailer: Wegmans Still Rules

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By Warren Thayer, Editorial Director, Refrigerated & Frozen Foods Retailer

Through
a special arrangement, what follows are excerpts of a current article from Refrigerated & Frozen
Foods Retailer
magazine, presented here for discussion.

Yes, shoppers
love Wegmans, and there’s no question that it is one of the most innovative,
skillful merchandisers anywhere, bar none. The consumer focus group we ran
on the Rochester, N.Y.-based chain confirms what we’ve long believed about
the chain: that it is a shopper advocate with world-class instincts and execution
skills.

Refrigerated and frozen food vendors — at least the ones we interviewed for this story — would not disagree with any of that. But they differ on how well Wegmans partners with them. Ask one vendor about Wegmans, and you’ll hear strong praise. Ask another, and you’ll hear that it squeezes margins beyond what’s reasonable and treats vendors poorly. We heard considerably more bad than good on the trade relations’ front. In fairness, that’s not unusual in this adversarial climate, although the level of anger surprised us.

On the positive side, one vendor says, “Wegmans is the most desirable customer relative to its size that we have due to its quality, innovation and the consumer it attracts.” Another vendor says Wegmans delivers great speed to shelf on new items and a manageable tool for identification and correction of voids. This supplier adds that Wegmans provides its partners with accurate and up-to-date selling information.

But other vendors critical of Wegmans say it focuses so heavily on costs that there is little funding, time or energy left for partnering. Says one supplier: “They always give you the feeling that they need to get a little more from you and that they’re never happy.”

Says another, “They demand pricing that allows them to retail an item for X cents per unit higher than Wal-Mart on a like item while returning exorbitant margins. We have lost items that have solid movement and ranking simply because they could not make their margin requirements and be within X cents of Wal-Mart… This customer absorbs a grossly disproportionate amount of our time, energy and resources and in return we get nothing but stress, frustration and grief. Wal-Mart has the tough reputation, but I’d rather deal with 100 Wal-Marts the size of Wegmans than one Wegmans.”

Finally, still another vendor says, “My business is okay with Wegmans, but it is the worst headquarters call I make in this country” because it treats the selling community in frozen and refrigerated foods so poorly.

Wegmans declined an interview, as is its usual policy with trade press. But Jo Natale, director of media relations, noted that the chain has been consistently ranked among the ‘best retailers with which to do business’ in an annual survey by Cannondale Associates of manufacturers. In Cannondale’s 2007 survey (and in previous years), Wegmans was ranked in spite of its very small size relative to the other nine retailers in the top ten. It also ranked high in Cannondale’s best category management/buying teams; most innovative consumer marketing/merchandising; business fundamentals; best supply chain management; and best practice category management.

“Our vendors tell us although we’re tough, we are fair, have a clear strategy and always keep our promises,” she said in an e-mail.

Discussion Question: Are you surprised by the mixed grades that Wegmans is receiving as a vendor partner? Which complaints do you think are common across retailers and which seem particular to Wegmans?

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Winston Weber
Winston Weber

I know Wegmans very well. When a vendor adds value, Wegmans is committed to a win/win collaborative process. They have a large number of such relationships. On the other hand, if a vendor adds little value, the logical alternative is to be cost-focused. I strongly suggest that those vendors who are complaining reevaluate their value proposition and go-to-market tactics. They may be pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

When you compare Wegmans to others, I would rather do business with Wegmans any day.

Michael Tesler
Michael Tesler

It is not Wegmans job to please vendors. It is their job to please their customers and their employees and they do a fantastic job at that.

In retailing, stores and vendors are often at cross purposes; i.e. vendors want to sell their bad stuff, smart stores only want the good stuff, vendors want large orders well in advance of seasons, smart retailers when then can want to place small orders closer to selling season and re-order with vendors holding inventory.

As a successful retailer who owned and operated successful stores (which I sold) for over twenty years I have absolutely zero concern about vendors and met very few (in the garment industry) that could be trusted and that working relationships could be built with…plus, I needed the ability to always be able to say no and move to the best product and the most wanted brand of the moment and relationships could get in the way. As long as my customers and employees were happy (and they were) I slept very well even if my vendors were not able to sleep.

Robert Emery
Robert Emery

Way to go Wegmans! The fact that their manufacturer partners are complaining is evidence that Wegmans may have a clue where other retailers have yet to become suspicious.

One of the most puzzling enigmas to me has always been that suppliers know exactly how much money retailers are making on their products but the retailers don’t know what the manufacturers are making on their products. This disparity is one of the reasons that grocery retailers are struggling to generate a two or three percent profit while many of their “manufacturing partners” are generating 20, 30, 40 plus percent profit and generating excellent return for their investors. A former employer and major manufacturer in the commercial bakery category has an icon item that dominates the category at a retail of $2.99 per unit. Retailers make about 24/25% margin on this item. If the manufacturer were to reduce the recommended retail and corresponding wholesale that goes with it to $.99 per unit they would still make more money on this item than the retailer does due to low cost of goods manufactured and the huge profit that goes with it.

I would be curious to dig into the survey results to determine if the highly satisfied manufacturers in the survey were in fact, ‘Category Captains/Pirates’. We all know the implications of this relationship as well as the ramifications. You would be hard pressed to find a Category Captain dissatisfied with the relationship.

Wegmans apparently understands that you don’t have to increase retail price to enhance profit when a more equitable relationship with their suppliers can be had by tapping a more equitable share of the profits from the manufacturers.

Congratulations to Wegmans for “Getting It.”

Doron Levy
Doron Levy

I’m not really surprised by Mr. Thayer’s findings. I have heard horror stories from most suppliers about all chains in respect to vendor/seller relationships. Some vendors even flatly refuse to deal with certain chains just to avoid headaches.

Suppliers need to look at the retail chain as their customer and provide the necessary customer service to keep their client happy. How many times a day to you think the retailer takes a hit to please its own customer? It’s a rhetorical question but it illustrates the angle that suppliers need to take when dealing with their own customers. It’s always been an adversarial climate but we need not look at a specific issue or incident. Vendors should take the big picture into account.

Wegmans is here to sell products to individuals, not to cater to a cranky supplier. If a supplier cannot afford to meet margin targets set out by the chain, then maybe they are not as competitive as they could be. Investing time into partnerships is crucial for the success of both parties. Overall, I don’t think this is isolated to just Wegmans. My experiences suggest that this is a common feeling in our industry and the only way to work through it is by developing these partnerships. Give a little here and then take some from over there. Isn’t that what partnerships are all about?

David Livingston
David Livingston

What a bunch a crybabies. Just because Wegmans is so generous in many ways do the vendors expect a free handout? Wegmans would not be able to be competitive unless they were within close range of Wal-Mart. Wegmans should be flattered they are getting these complaints. It means they are doing their job. Wegmans should communicate this to their customers so the customers know Wegmans is fighting for them.

Mark Lilien
Mark Lilien

Retailers are just middlemen. They represent shoppers. Shoppers don’t want to pay more. They want every cost as low as possible and every service and item to be of the highest quality imaginable. Retail margins, particularly grocery margins, are lousy. If Wegmans paid their suppliers an extra few points (an “appreciation bonus”) they’d be out of business tomorrow. How would that help their suppliers or their shoppers? Maybe a supermarket chain should take a location or two and turn it over to their suppliers to run for 3 years, as a test. Let’s see if the suppliers could do a better job. What would happen?

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Winston Weber
Winston Weber

I know Wegmans very well. When a vendor adds value, Wegmans is committed to a win/win collaborative process. They have a large number of such relationships. On the other hand, if a vendor adds little value, the logical alternative is to be cost-focused. I strongly suggest that those vendors who are complaining reevaluate their value proposition and go-to-market tactics. They may be pointing the finger in the wrong direction.

When you compare Wegmans to others, I would rather do business with Wegmans any day.

Michael Tesler
Michael Tesler

It is not Wegmans job to please vendors. It is their job to please their customers and their employees and they do a fantastic job at that.

In retailing, stores and vendors are often at cross purposes; i.e. vendors want to sell their bad stuff, smart stores only want the good stuff, vendors want large orders well in advance of seasons, smart retailers when then can want to place small orders closer to selling season and re-order with vendors holding inventory.

As a successful retailer who owned and operated successful stores (which I sold) for over twenty years I have absolutely zero concern about vendors and met very few (in the garment industry) that could be trusted and that working relationships could be built with…plus, I needed the ability to always be able to say no and move to the best product and the most wanted brand of the moment and relationships could get in the way. As long as my customers and employees were happy (and they were) I slept very well even if my vendors were not able to sleep.

Robert Emery
Robert Emery

Way to go Wegmans! The fact that their manufacturer partners are complaining is evidence that Wegmans may have a clue where other retailers have yet to become suspicious.

One of the most puzzling enigmas to me has always been that suppliers know exactly how much money retailers are making on their products but the retailers don’t know what the manufacturers are making on their products. This disparity is one of the reasons that grocery retailers are struggling to generate a two or three percent profit while many of their “manufacturing partners” are generating 20, 30, 40 plus percent profit and generating excellent return for their investors. A former employer and major manufacturer in the commercial bakery category has an icon item that dominates the category at a retail of $2.99 per unit. Retailers make about 24/25% margin on this item. If the manufacturer were to reduce the recommended retail and corresponding wholesale that goes with it to $.99 per unit they would still make more money on this item than the retailer does due to low cost of goods manufactured and the huge profit that goes with it.

I would be curious to dig into the survey results to determine if the highly satisfied manufacturers in the survey were in fact, ‘Category Captains/Pirates’. We all know the implications of this relationship as well as the ramifications. You would be hard pressed to find a Category Captain dissatisfied with the relationship.

Wegmans apparently understands that you don’t have to increase retail price to enhance profit when a more equitable relationship with their suppliers can be had by tapping a more equitable share of the profits from the manufacturers.

Congratulations to Wegmans for “Getting It.”

Doron Levy
Doron Levy

I’m not really surprised by Mr. Thayer’s findings. I have heard horror stories from most suppliers about all chains in respect to vendor/seller relationships. Some vendors even flatly refuse to deal with certain chains just to avoid headaches.

Suppliers need to look at the retail chain as their customer and provide the necessary customer service to keep their client happy. How many times a day to you think the retailer takes a hit to please its own customer? It’s a rhetorical question but it illustrates the angle that suppliers need to take when dealing with their own customers. It’s always been an adversarial climate but we need not look at a specific issue or incident. Vendors should take the big picture into account.

Wegmans is here to sell products to individuals, not to cater to a cranky supplier. If a supplier cannot afford to meet margin targets set out by the chain, then maybe they are not as competitive as they could be. Investing time into partnerships is crucial for the success of both parties. Overall, I don’t think this is isolated to just Wegmans. My experiences suggest that this is a common feeling in our industry and the only way to work through it is by developing these partnerships. Give a little here and then take some from over there. Isn’t that what partnerships are all about?

David Livingston
David Livingston

What a bunch a crybabies. Just because Wegmans is so generous in many ways do the vendors expect a free handout? Wegmans would not be able to be competitive unless they were within close range of Wal-Mart. Wegmans should be flattered they are getting these complaints. It means they are doing their job. Wegmans should communicate this to their customers so the customers know Wegmans is fighting for them.

Mark Lilien
Mark Lilien

Retailers are just middlemen. They represent shoppers. Shoppers don’t want to pay more. They want every cost as low as possible and every service and item to be of the highest quality imaginable. Retail margins, particularly grocery margins, are lousy. If Wegmans paid their suppliers an extra few points (an “appreciation bonus”) they’d be out of business tomorrow. How would that help their suppliers or their shoppers? Maybe a supermarket chain should take a location or two and turn it over to their suppliers to run for 3 years, as a test. Let’s see if the suppliers could do a better job. What would happen?

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