August 17, 2015

Jeff Bezos doesn’t recognize the Amazon in Times report

An extensive piece by The New York Times that describes Amazon.com as a workplace where employees are demeaned and ruthlessly driven to be productive often at the expense of their private lives doesn’t fit with the culture that CEO Jeff Bezos says he has created at the company.

In a memo to employees this weekend (via GeekWire), Mr. Bezos wrote: "The article doesn’t describe the Amazon I know or the caring Amazonians I work with every day. But if you know of any stories like those reported, I want you to escalate to HR. You can also email me directly at jeff@amazon.com. Even if it’s rare or isolated, our tolerance for any such lack of empathy needs to be zero."

According to the Times piece, Amazon boasts of the "unreasonably high" standards it places on workers at the company’s headquarters. The result is a Darwinian culture that quickly culls underperformers from the pack. Eighty-hour workweeks are expected and workers are encouraged to tear apart the ideas of others in meetings, emails, etc.

This is not the first time that similar allegations have been made about the working environment at Amazon. Back in 2013, The Everything Store: Jeff Bezos and the Age of Amazon, written by Brad Stone, contained many of the same types of stories. At the time, some suggested that Mr. Bezos’s management style was similar to the former CEO of Apple, Steve Jobs, who could be brutal on underlings but who also was able to justify bad behavior with business results.

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Source: Amazon recruitment video

What makes the latest Amazon expose different is Mr. Bezos’s response. In the past, as GeekWire pointed out, Amazon has chosen to not respond to reports of a torturous workplace culture. This time, Mr. Bezos wrote, "I strongly believe that anyone working in a company that really is like the one described in the NYT would be crazy to stay. I know I would leave such a company."

One employee, Nick Ciubotariu, head of infrastructure development, Amazon.com Search Experience, took to LinkedIn to criticize the Times piece as biased and steeped in half-truths.

Mr. Ciubotariu does not see himself as the Amazon manager stereotype he believes is portrayed by the Times. Instead, he describes himself as a "people-centric manager" who believes in "kindness, respect, integrity and transparency, and that being a good human being comes before anything else."

Mr. Ciubotariu wrote that Times article is "blatantly incorrect, and additionally, purposefully designed to make past data reflect current reality at a company that has done quite a bit to change its ways and continues to work hard to do so."

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"Part of the issue with the lack of Amazon’s side to the story may have to do with the retailer failing to cooperate (nothing unusual there) with the Times in its reporting. It’s tough to get both sides of a story when one side won’t speak."
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Does your judgement tell you that the working environment at Amazon is being misrepresented in the Times article or are its white collar workers being driven too hard? Will the article have any effect on Amazon’s recruiting efforts?

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Chris Petersen, PhD
Chris Petersen, PhD

High-performance, fast-growth companies have performance standards and expectations that are different from “mainstream,” established companies. Similar allegations have been made of Google and Microsoft in the past.

Given the high degree of bias and inaccuracies in many mainstream media stories, one has to view sensational journalism with a fair amount of skepticism. Regardless of the source, these kinds of stories are large a “he says/she says” kind of thing.

At the end of the day, each worker still has the ultimate choice where they work. If the corporate rat race becomes too much for an individual’s lifestyle choice, they can leave.

I seriously doubt that this will affect Amazon’s recruiting. Many young people starting careers relish the opportunity to work in a “pressure cooker of innovation.” And bear in mind the new stat: Millennials are projected to have at least 30 different jobs in their careers. They expect to change jobs frequently!

Ian Percy

As Jonathan Livingston Seagull once observed, “Those who fly highest are envied most of all.”

I’m sure without too much work one could write a damning article about working at the New York Times as well. Aren’t there constant deadlines in that business? Isn’t there constant pressure to “break” new news? And if there isn’t any, isn’t there pressure to make some up? The news doesn’t take evenings and weekends off, does it? So how much work/life-balance is there for a journalist/news reporter? I have no idea what it’s really like to work at Amazon but I do know, as the son of a missionary and church pastor, that even working for God ain’t that easy!

Ron Margulis

I’ve read the same complaints about Walmart over the years, with their Saturday morning meetings and travel requirements. Also, P&G was always considered an onerous place to work. But the retail and CPG industries are filled with alumnae of these two companies and there’s a definite reason for it. All the hard work people put into companies that push their employees to the limit not only make them better where they are, but make them more attractive to other employers in the industries.

One thing that didn’t come out in the Times piece, at least I didn’t see it, was any complaints about compensation. Perhaps that’s because the stock has been on a tear recently, but this part of the story says to me, yes, Amazon is making its employees work hard, but the company is paying them to do it.

Tom Redd
Tom Redd

First, Millennials want Amazon on their resumes or as an item to share with friends via texts. Next, most of them do not read stuff like business/social articles unless they are seen on major news channels. So no impact on recruiting.

What really will be fun to watch is how this article will be discounted by so many, yet if this article represented Walmart or Macy’s their would be social outrage!

I totally believe the New York Times article. Jeff’s people were smart to put his well-monitored email out there. He will not see most of the content that hits that email address. Ever seen ambulances waiting outside of a Walmart distribution center? Real retailers that work for a profit and value their people do not operate like Amazon. Amazon is not a retailer as much as they are a Google or high-tech brand image addicted shop. They live for hype and press and retail is a hobby. Without Google many people would not go to Amazon. My kids search on Google and then link to Amazon via Google.

Bottom line of this ramble, Amazon has been caught, so beat them up the way many beat up Walmart due to their size and reach. At least Walmart cares the best they can for the millions that they employ. Jeff and his Darwinistic operation might do the same (per the New York Times)!

Mark Heckman
Mark Heckman

As a company, you know that you have arrived in the rarified air of being a powerhouse when your corporate laundry is aired in the New York Times. While we can’t know what is real or fantasy about the complaint, what we can all assume from our experience is that large companies that are growing at breakneck speed are susceptible to maintaining a consistent corporate culture across the enterprise.

From what I have read and understand about Bezos, he is a driven guy that puts in many hours, which can be expected from such a highly successful CEO. However, if he implicitly expects that same level of intensity and commitment all the way down the food chain of employees, I can believe that there are at least isolated opportunities for workplace abuse.

Someone smarter than I once said that success is more about how one handles problems than anything else. Given Bezos’ track record, I would wager he will handle this problem effectively as well as the many more that will come with the territory of being a retailing juggernaut.

Ed Rosenbaum
Ed Rosenbaum

When you are the leader of the pack the target is always on your back. Others are always trying to do whatever they can to overtake the leader. I see nothing different here except the medium used to do it. Maybe there is some truth to it. But the truth has been overshadowed by too much negativity. Every company has employees who feel used and stepped upon. But the use of the press to express those feelings takes it too far. Back in the early days of Blockbuster there were many stories told of how the executives received calls any time of day, night or weekend to meet at the airport in X hours or minutes to go to Anywhere, USA to acquire another company. Those calls were expected. But while uncomfortable from a family standpoint, they were something the executives and families knew before taking the position. Every business operates under differing sets of rules. Amazon is no different.

Kinshuk Jerath
Kinshuk Jerath

I am a b-school faculty member and many students (and some friends) that I personally know work at Amazon. I have kept in regular touch with them (as my research is in retail and Amazon is of course very interesting to me). Over the last five to six years, I have never heard even one person complain about the work culture at Amazon. In fact, after internships at Amazon, many people want to go there to work full time.

Herb Sorensen, Ph.D.
Herb Sorensen, Ph.D.

This should be seen in a competitive light also: New York Times vs. Washington Post. Bearing in mind that Bezos personally owns the Washington Post, the New York Times piece is a bit of competitive savagery as well.

Tom Brown
Tom Brown

The truth is almost always somewhere in between.

Shep Hyken

The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Unhappy employees (or ex-employees) are complaining about Amazon being an unfairly tough place to work. Yet they continue to grow and are building out more offices. The article is weighted toward the negative, but there are positive viewpoints represented as well. (Obviously the more controversial negative comments make for better and more entertaining journalism.) I don’t think this will impact Amazon’s recruiting efforts. This article is something we’ve already known about at Amazon. They expect the most of their people and push them to get there.

Amazon didn’t get to where it is today by being a country club employment opportunity. They push and push their people to higher levels of performance. And if you don’t like it (the pressure to perform) you can always quit. If you don’t want to quit, get on board. Amazon doesn’t hide the expectations of their employees. In a recent recruiting video, one young woman warns: “You either fit here or you don’t. You love it or you don’t. There is no middle ground.”

Amazon is run like a championship sports team. Football practice isn’t fun. At times it is almost punishing — multiple workouts in extreme weather conditions. I bet Vince Lombardi would have made a great executive at Amazon.

Bill Hanifin
Bill Hanifin

I heard an interview this morning on CBS News with Jay Carney, former White House Press Secretary now working with Amazon. He took the same line of response as Mr. Bezos, which is to be expected.

If the Times article is incorrect, I wonder why their editors let it get through their process and be published. That said, Rolling Stone badly mishandled a report concerning rape at the University of Virginia last fall and so, as we see, mistakes can be made.

More important to me is, why should we care? Those working at Amazon are not slaves, they are being paid for a job and can make the decision to leave at any time. If there is mass exodus, then we know that Amazon has some internal problems. If their turnover is similar to other tech companies, as Mr. Carney indicated in his interview, then maybe the reporting is overblown.

I’m more concerned about my own company culture and less about what Amazon is doing!

Lee Peterson

I worked for a large retailer in the ’80s that had an amazing culture of growth and entrepreneurial spirit that sounds very similar to the current Amazon environment. Calls after midnight, 19-hour days, four weeks without a day off, traveling endlessly, all driven by a passionate leader … and we all loved it. We all drank the Kool-Aid. It came with the club. You want in? This is how we win.

Call it what you will — Savage? Ruthless? Cut-throat? But I believe, having been through it before, that if Amazon wants to surpass Walmart as the number one retailer that’s exactly the type of culture they’re going to have to have. Being number one in this day and age is not for the weak, so either you’re on board or not on board.

After all, anyone can work a 9 to 5 job for a pretty good company, but only a select few can commit to being the best. And I mean commit.

George Anderson
George Anderson

Part of the issue with the lack of Amazon’s side to the story may have to do with the retailer failing to cooperate (nothing unusual there) with the Times in its reporting. It’s tough to get both sides of a story when one side won’t speak.

Phil Rubin
Phil Rubin

Having read the articles mentioned above, including Nick Ciubotariu’s piece in LinkedIn, there’s no question that Amazon sets an incredibly high bar in its workplace, as it should given its mission and valuation. Those things go hand-in-hand and while such high standards are painful for some, they are an elixir to thrive for others.

As to whether a current “happy” employee is more right than two well-credentialed NYT writers, that’s a matter of interpretation but given Amazon’s performance and its “customer obsession,” it’s doomed without a commitment to employees that is consistent in its dedication.

It’s interesting to see a comparison of the two companies’ stock price (no surprise which has seriously outperformed the other) and also note how many incredibly talented people have left the New York Times in the last few years for other, presumably better, venues.

Amazon will have no incremental challenge with its recruitment efforts from this article, perhaps just the opposite, and someone smart and capable enough to work at Amazon will likely do their homework (i.e., collect data) to make the right decision.

J. Peter Deeb
J. Peter Deeb

Any time you have a culture of high expectations and hard work there will be people in management who drive people too hard and do not reflect the true culture of an organization. Whether they are highly driven to succeed, are insecure in their own abilities or just poor managers there will almost always be a segment in a company as large and as innovative as Amazon where these conditions will exist. I applaud Jeff Bezos for responding in a positive manner to eliminate this behavior from his company. If he is the culprit then his statements will only be viewed as hot air inside Amazon but if he is sincere people who work there should get the message.

Jerry Gelsomino
Jerry Gelsomino

Whether the article speaks the truth or is stretching it, is up for HR investigators to find out. I like Amazon’s response of not saying the report is a fabrication, but rather sticking to the premise that this isn’t the kind of culture which has been created in the company. This leads one to believe that if wrongdoing is identified, it will be corrected.

That being said, working to keep ahead of innovation has got to be challenging within Amazon.

Brent Buttolph
Brent Buttolph

Good judgement need be applied as with any “news report.”

My take away is this: analytically driven businesses (such as Amazon and all pure-play digital players such as Netflix, eBay, Google, etc.) will REQUIRE a high performance workforce at all levels. Why? Well, because they are in affect the drivers of changing consumer behavior, whilst traditional brick and mortar retailers (for example) are perpetually in a catch-up game. If your mission statement includes “change the world” the implication is that the entire organization must believe it and be committed to it.

Make no mistake, some of the behaviors in the NYT report are reprehensible if true, and there may indeed be some isolated cases where this should be dealt with appropriately.

As other readers have pointed out, as an employee, Amazon is probably not a place where you should expect to work “forever” and some day retire, but the learning experience (like any start-up environment, frankly) could certainly be an amazing experience and career booster. Having done a few stints myself with start-ups, I can attest to the long hours, broad reaching responsibilities and sometimes tense (e.g. obtaining funding, or roll-out of new solution features), but the experiences were tremendous and a highlight of my career.

Gajendra Ratnavel
Gajendra Ratnavel

The situation at a company like Amazon can be bad, but it can’t sustain a bad culture. Amazon attracts and keeps very skilled employees, many of them would have no trouble going elsewhere. The report is probably skewed with a little bit of truth. Maybe isolated. I personally know several people that worked for Amazon and never heard anything bad from them.

Craig Sundstrom
Craig Sundstrom

Mr. Bezos’s self-serving puffery is probably no less—nor more—an accurate picture of life at Amazon than the Times, but who really cares? No one actually bases their career decisions on what either one says, and regardless, nobody is being forced to work there (at Amazon).

Larry Negrich
Larry Negrich

Without some drama, who would read an article about an efficient, competitive online retail/tech company? No doubt lots of truth to the article, but I would have thought their PR machine would have been in front of this. In the near future we’ll see many stories of management kindness coming out of Amazon. PR on drones being used to deliver lunch to Amazon’s hard working, but fairly treated employees….

Peter J. Charness

In any multi thousand employee company there is a story that supports any point of view if you want to cherrypick the news. I think Bezos reinforced the culture of a great company when he indicated that if there are valid stories out there as noted in the article, let them know so they can deal with it. Great companies can’t prevent everything and anything from happening that is not be desired behavior from some employees, but they can effectively deal with the issues when they come to light.

Quentin Smelzer
Quentin Smelzer

My guess is that the NY Times isn’t making this up. And it is no surprise that these complaints never rise to the top. As far as recruitment and employee retention go, a rocky economy can also help mask these issues. I think tough geniuses are good at attracting young, hungry employees, but a cutthroat culture is unlikely to hold mature professionals in a good market, unless salaries are significantly above average.

Gordon Arnold
Gordon Arnold

My business life began and flourished in a zero tolerance pressure cooker sales environment. The ones that made a good living and owned a reputation for high productivity were paid by the pound in cash. The challenge was all in and no leftovers for the losers. An importance of a win was providing an ample reward for all as in company, client, vendors and employees. I have lost count of the hundreds of failed attempts at this level of sales and marketing and I still own several hundred of business cards from those who couldn’t get to the finish line.

The purpose of making this sound like a game is because that is much like how it really is. A game with no extra lives and where every mistake is always fatal to the effort. In every endeavor, the rules included following a legal and moral business practice using professional business conduct and courtesy. People stayed in because they won and winning was more important than the lavish rewards. In truth, winning was and is everything for the successful.

One of the key ingredients for a lasting success in this high stakes market plan is knowing what you have to sell and selling everything you have. Corporations that rely on selling price to make a living—like the subject of this discussion—never stand the test of time. The reason is that all of their customers see them as a place to look for the same for less. What these companies do not know is that everyone is a customer. Client customers render money for product, vendor customers furnish product for money and employee customers supply time and in some cases value added experience and know how for money. Smart companies realize the importance of this arrangement and work to provide a balanced return for all revenue types and participants.

Selling more for less to the client makes necessary a plan to provide less for more from labor and suppliers. Not much of a recipe for long-term success for the company. Perhaps that is the company plan or at least a part of it.

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Chris Petersen, PhD
Chris Petersen, PhD

High-performance, fast-growth companies have performance standards and expectations that are different from “mainstream,” established companies. Similar allegations have been made of Google and Microsoft in the past.

Given the high degree of bias and inaccuracies in many mainstream media stories, one has to view sensational journalism with a fair amount of skepticism. Regardless of the source, these kinds of stories are large a “he says/she says” kind of thing.

At the end of the day, each worker still has the ultimate choice where they work. If the corporate rat race becomes too much for an individual’s lifestyle choice, they can leave.

I seriously doubt that this will affect Amazon’s recruiting. Many young people starting careers relish the opportunity to work in a “pressure cooker of innovation.” And bear in mind the new stat: Millennials are projected to have at least 30 different jobs in their careers. They expect to change jobs frequently!

Ian Percy

As Jonathan Livingston Seagull once observed, “Those who fly highest are envied most of all.”

I’m sure without too much work one could write a damning article about working at the New York Times as well. Aren’t there constant deadlines in that business? Isn’t there constant pressure to “break” new news? And if there isn’t any, isn’t there pressure to make some up? The news doesn’t take evenings and weekends off, does it? So how much work/life-balance is there for a journalist/news reporter? I have no idea what it’s really like to work at Amazon but I do know, as the son of a missionary and church pastor, that even working for God ain’t that easy!

Ron Margulis

I’ve read the same complaints about Walmart over the years, with their Saturday morning meetings and travel requirements. Also, P&G was always considered an onerous place to work. But the retail and CPG industries are filled with alumnae of these two companies and there’s a definite reason for it. All the hard work people put into companies that push their employees to the limit not only make them better where they are, but make them more attractive to other employers in the industries.

One thing that didn’t come out in the Times piece, at least I didn’t see it, was any complaints about compensation. Perhaps that’s because the stock has been on a tear recently, but this part of the story says to me, yes, Amazon is making its employees work hard, but the company is paying them to do it.

Tom Redd
Tom Redd

First, Millennials want Amazon on their resumes or as an item to share with friends via texts. Next, most of them do not read stuff like business/social articles unless they are seen on major news channels. So no impact on recruiting.

What really will be fun to watch is how this article will be discounted by so many, yet if this article represented Walmart or Macy’s their would be social outrage!

I totally believe the New York Times article. Jeff’s people were smart to put his well-monitored email out there. He will not see most of the content that hits that email address. Ever seen ambulances waiting outside of a Walmart distribution center? Real retailers that work for a profit and value their people do not operate like Amazon. Amazon is not a retailer as much as they are a Google or high-tech brand image addicted shop. They live for hype and press and retail is a hobby. Without Google many people would not go to Amazon. My kids search on Google and then link to Amazon via Google.

Bottom line of this ramble, Amazon has been caught, so beat them up the way many beat up Walmart due to their size and reach. At least Walmart cares the best they can for the millions that they employ. Jeff and his Darwinistic operation might do the same (per the New York Times)!

Mark Heckman
Mark Heckman

As a company, you know that you have arrived in the rarified air of being a powerhouse when your corporate laundry is aired in the New York Times. While we can’t know what is real or fantasy about the complaint, what we can all assume from our experience is that large companies that are growing at breakneck speed are susceptible to maintaining a consistent corporate culture across the enterprise.

From what I have read and understand about Bezos, he is a driven guy that puts in many hours, which can be expected from such a highly successful CEO. However, if he implicitly expects that same level of intensity and commitment all the way down the food chain of employees, I can believe that there are at least isolated opportunities for workplace abuse.

Someone smarter than I once said that success is more about how one handles problems than anything else. Given Bezos’ track record, I would wager he will handle this problem effectively as well as the many more that will come with the territory of being a retailing juggernaut.

Ed Rosenbaum
Ed Rosenbaum

When you are the leader of the pack the target is always on your back. Others are always trying to do whatever they can to overtake the leader. I see nothing different here except the medium used to do it. Maybe there is some truth to it. But the truth has been overshadowed by too much negativity. Every company has employees who feel used and stepped upon. But the use of the press to express those feelings takes it too far. Back in the early days of Blockbuster there were many stories told of how the executives received calls any time of day, night or weekend to meet at the airport in X hours or minutes to go to Anywhere, USA to acquire another company. Those calls were expected. But while uncomfortable from a family standpoint, they were something the executives and families knew before taking the position. Every business operates under differing sets of rules. Amazon is no different.

Kinshuk Jerath
Kinshuk Jerath

I am a b-school faculty member and many students (and some friends) that I personally know work at Amazon. I have kept in regular touch with them (as my research is in retail and Amazon is of course very interesting to me). Over the last five to six years, I have never heard even one person complain about the work culture at Amazon. In fact, after internships at Amazon, many people want to go there to work full time.

Herb Sorensen, Ph.D.
Herb Sorensen, Ph.D.

This should be seen in a competitive light also: New York Times vs. Washington Post. Bearing in mind that Bezos personally owns the Washington Post, the New York Times piece is a bit of competitive savagery as well.

Tom Brown
Tom Brown

The truth is almost always somewhere in between.

Shep Hyken

The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Unhappy employees (or ex-employees) are complaining about Amazon being an unfairly tough place to work. Yet they continue to grow and are building out more offices. The article is weighted toward the negative, but there are positive viewpoints represented as well. (Obviously the more controversial negative comments make for better and more entertaining journalism.) I don’t think this will impact Amazon’s recruiting efforts. This article is something we’ve already known about at Amazon. They expect the most of their people and push them to get there.

Amazon didn’t get to where it is today by being a country club employment opportunity. They push and push their people to higher levels of performance. And if you don’t like it (the pressure to perform) you can always quit. If you don’t want to quit, get on board. Amazon doesn’t hide the expectations of their employees. In a recent recruiting video, one young woman warns: “You either fit here or you don’t. You love it or you don’t. There is no middle ground.”

Amazon is run like a championship sports team. Football practice isn’t fun. At times it is almost punishing — multiple workouts in extreme weather conditions. I bet Vince Lombardi would have made a great executive at Amazon.

Bill Hanifin
Bill Hanifin

I heard an interview this morning on CBS News with Jay Carney, former White House Press Secretary now working with Amazon. He took the same line of response as Mr. Bezos, which is to be expected.

If the Times article is incorrect, I wonder why their editors let it get through their process and be published. That said, Rolling Stone badly mishandled a report concerning rape at the University of Virginia last fall and so, as we see, mistakes can be made.

More important to me is, why should we care? Those working at Amazon are not slaves, they are being paid for a job and can make the decision to leave at any time. If there is mass exodus, then we know that Amazon has some internal problems. If their turnover is similar to other tech companies, as Mr. Carney indicated in his interview, then maybe the reporting is overblown.

I’m more concerned about my own company culture and less about what Amazon is doing!

Lee Peterson

I worked for a large retailer in the ’80s that had an amazing culture of growth and entrepreneurial spirit that sounds very similar to the current Amazon environment. Calls after midnight, 19-hour days, four weeks without a day off, traveling endlessly, all driven by a passionate leader … and we all loved it. We all drank the Kool-Aid. It came with the club. You want in? This is how we win.

Call it what you will — Savage? Ruthless? Cut-throat? But I believe, having been through it before, that if Amazon wants to surpass Walmart as the number one retailer that’s exactly the type of culture they’re going to have to have. Being number one in this day and age is not for the weak, so either you’re on board or not on board.

After all, anyone can work a 9 to 5 job for a pretty good company, but only a select few can commit to being the best. And I mean commit.

George Anderson
George Anderson

Part of the issue with the lack of Amazon’s side to the story may have to do with the retailer failing to cooperate (nothing unusual there) with the Times in its reporting. It’s tough to get both sides of a story when one side won’t speak.

Phil Rubin
Phil Rubin

Having read the articles mentioned above, including Nick Ciubotariu’s piece in LinkedIn, there’s no question that Amazon sets an incredibly high bar in its workplace, as it should given its mission and valuation. Those things go hand-in-hand and while such high standards are painful for some, they are an elixir to thrive for others.

As to whether a current “happy” employee is more right than two well-credentialed NYT writers, that’s a matter of interpretation but given Amazon’s performance and its “customer obsession,” it’s doomed without a commitment to employees that is consistent in its dedication.

It’s interesting to see a comparison of the two companies’ stock price (no surprise which has seriously outperformed the other) and also note how many incredibly talented people have left the New York Times in the last few years for other, presumably better, venues.

Amazon will have no incremental challenge with its recruitment efforts from this article, perhaps just the opposite, and someone smart and capable enough to work at Amazon will likely do their homework (i.e., collect data) to make the right decision.

J. Peter Deeb
J. Peter Deeb

Any time you have a culture of high expectations and hard work there will be people in management who drive people too hard and do not reflect the true culture of an organization. Whether they are highly driven to succeed, are insecure in their own abilities or just poor managers there will almost always be a segment in a company as large and as innovative as Amazon where these conditions will exist. I applaud Jeff Bezos for responding in a positive manner to eliminate this behavior from his company. If he is the culprit then his statements will only be viewed as hot air inside Amazon but if he is sincere people who work there should get the message.

Jerry Gelsomino
Jerry Gelsomino

Whether the article speaks the truth or is stretching it, is up for HR investigators to find out. I like Amazon’s response of not saying the report is a fabrication, but rather sticking to the premise that this isn’t the kind of culture which has been created in the company. This leads one to believe that if wrongdoing is identified, it will be corrected.

That being said, working to keep ahead of innovation has got to be challenging within Amazon.

Brent Buttolph
Brent Buttolph

Good judgement need be applied as with any “news report.”

My take away is this: analytically driven businesses (such as Amazon and all pure-play digital players such as Netflix, eBay, Google, etc.) will REQUIRE a high performance workforce at all levels. Why? Well, because they are in affect the drivers of changing consumer behavior, whilst traditional brick and mortar retailers (for example) are perpetually in a catch-up game. If your mission statement includes “change the world” the implication is that the entire organization must believe it and be committed to it.

Make no mistake, some of the behaviors in the NYT report are reprehensible if true, and there may indeed be some isolated cases where this should be dealt with appropriately.

As other readers have pointed out, as an employee, Amazon is probably not a place where you should expect to work “forever” and some day retire, but the learning experience (like any start-up environment, frankly) could certainly be an amazing experience and career booster. Having done a few stints myself with start-ups, I can attest to the long hours, broad reaching responsibilities and sometimes tense (e.g. obtaining funding, or roll-out of new solution features), but the experiences were tremendous and a highlight of my career.

Gajendra Ratnavel
Gajendra Ratnavel

The situation at a company like Amazon can be bad, but it can’t sustain a bad culture. Amazon attracts and keeps very skilled employees, many of them would have no trouble going elsewhere. The report is probably skewed with a little bit of truth. Maybe isolated. I personally know several people that worked for Amazon and never heard anything bad from them.

Craig Sundstrom
Craig Sundstrom

Mr. Bezos’s self-serving puffery is probably no less—nor more—an accurate picture of life at Amazon than the Times, but who really cares? No one actually bases their career decisions on what either one says, and regardless, nobody is being forced to work there (at Amazon).

Larry Negrich
Larry Negrich

Without some drama, who would read an article about an efficient, competitive online retail/tech company? No doubt lots of truth to the article, but I would have thought their PR machine would have been in front of this. In the near future we’ll see many stories of management kindness coming out of Amazon. PR on drones being used to deliver lunch to Amazon’s hard working, but fairly treated employees….

Peter J. Charness

In any multi thousand employee company there is a story that supports any point of view if you want to cherrypick the news. I think Bezos reinforced the culture of a great company when he indicated that if there are valid stories out there as noted in the article, let them know so they can deal with it. Great companies can’t prevent everything and anything from happening that is not be desired behavior from some employees, but they can effectively deal with the issues when they come to light.

Quentin Smelzer
Quentin Smelzer

My guess is that the NY Times isn’t making this up. And it is no surprise that these complaints never rise to the top. As far as recruitment and employee retention go, a rocky economy can also help mask these issues. I think tough geniuses are good at attracting young, hungry employees, but a cutthroat culture is unlikely to hold mature professionals in a good market, unless salaries are significantly above average.

Gordon Arnold
Gordon Arnold

My business life began and flourished in a zero tolerance pressure cooker sales environment. The ones that made a good living and owned a reputation for high productivity were paid by the pound in cash. The challenge was all in and no leftovers for the losers. An importance of a win was providing an ample reward for all as in company, client, vendors and employees. I have lost count of the hundreds of failed attempts at this level of sales and marketing and I still own several hundred of business cards from those who couldn’t get to the finish line.

The purpose of making this sound like a game is because that is much like how it really is. A game with no extra lives and where every mistake is always fatal to the effort. In every endeavor, the rules included following a legal and moral business practice using professional business conduct and courtesy. People stayed in because they won and winning was more important than the lavish rewards. In truth, winning was and is everything for the successful.

One of the key ingredients for a lasting success in this high stakes market plan is knowing what you have to sell and selling everything you have. Corporations that rely on selling price to make a living—like the subject of this discussion—never stand the test of time. The reason is that all of their customers see them as a place to look for the same for less. What these companies do not know is that everyone is a customer. Client customers render money for product, vendor customers furnish product for money and employee customers supply time and in some cases value added experience and know how for money. Smart companies realize the importance of this arrangement and work to provide a balanced return for all revenue types and participants.

Selling more for less to the client makes necessary a plan to provide less for more from labor and suppliers. Not much of a recipe for long-term success for the company. Perhaps that is the company plan or at least a part of it.

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