May 24, 2007

Immigration Debate Heats Up

By George Anderson

One week after agreeing to what was heralded as a landmark immigration bill, it now appears that passage of the legislation championed by the Bush administration and Congressional Democrats is far from assured.

Senator Trent Lott (R – Mississippi), the number two Republican in the Senate, made a plea for the many opponents of the bill on both sides of the aisle to reconsider their position and support the legislation.

“Is the current situation in America with legal and illegal immigration intolerable and unacceptable?” Sen. Lott asked. “Yes. Everybody would agree. Is this bill better than the current law? Without a doubt, yes. Are we going to have another opportunity to do this better next year or the next year? The answer is no. We’ve got to do it. We’ve got to do it as good as we can. We’ve got to do it right now,” he told The New York Times.

“The only thing that’s unacceptable is to do nothing,” he added.

The White House issued a statement, “The proposal offers a much-needed solution for our nation’s broken immigration system. This proposal would deliver an immigration system that is secure, productive, orderly, and fair.”

Among the controversial elements of the proposed legislation is the guest worker program. The original language worked out between the administration and Congressional leaders would have allowed up to 600,000 workers into the U.S. to work based on employer needs.

Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D – N.M.) offered an amendment to cap the temporary worker program at 200,000 individuals a year. The Senate approved the amendment by a vote of 74 to 24. Some Democrats and labor union officials were concerned that opening up the borders to as many as were included in the original language would have served to depress wages of American citizens.

Many in the business community opposed Sen. Bingaman’s amendment.

Laura Foote Reiff, co-chairwoman of the Essential Worker Immigration Coalition, representing businesses in the hospitality, healthcare, foodservice, food manufacturing and construction industries, said, “The Bingaman amendment guts the program.”

The National Retail Federation has expressed concerns about provisions of the proposed legislation. The group is worried that employee verification requirements, liability issues and other aspects of the bill could be undue burdens on its members.

Steve Pfister, senior vice president for government relations for the NRF, wrote to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D – Nev.) and the other members of the Senate. “While NRF supports the underlying goal of creating an electronic employment verification system, we have serious concerns that the complex system envisioned by the bill’s drafters will not be up and running to meet the short deadlines contained in the proposed bill. Our experience with other federal databases, including the Basic Pilot Program that is currently housed at DHS, leaves us uncertain about the prospects of getting the tasked agencies to come together to build a reliable system within these timeframes.”

The NRF is also strongly opposed to a provision that would require employers to re-verify existing employees. Mr. Pfister noted the retail industry employs more than 23 million workers and has complied with the government’s current I-9 verification requirements. Re-verifying, he wrote, “would be a significant and undue burden for law-abiding employers.”

Discussion Question: Does the retailing industry need immigration legislation passed that is similar to that worked out between the White House and Congressional leaders?

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Mark Lilien
Mark Lilien

Two different retail employer worlds: those who follow I-9 requirements and other labor laws (minimum wage, time and half for overtime, etc.) seriously, and those who freely hire the undocumented, often ignoring overtime pay requirements, etc. Generally, large chain stores try to be in the first group, while mom and pop (including restaurant franchise owners, sole proprietor convenience stores, etc.) are often in the second group.

If the government was truly serious about immigration restrictions (regardless of the size of the guest worker program if any), and enforced the related laws, those in group 2 (the law evaders) would suffer more than those in the legit group. Many small retail business owners can’t compete effectively, so their total profit margin is equal to (1) underpaid wages + (2) underpaid sales tax + (3) underpaid income tax. The usual employer complaint that “no one will work this job so we have to get immigrants” is always based on the low wages offered. If all employers had to pay higher wages for unpleasant jobs, no one would be unfairly disadvantaged and the jobs would be filled.

Ryan Mathews

All businesses seem to want a version of immigration legislation passed that allows them to hire the undocumented without penalty. Not sure that’s a model that will fly any more.

Mel Kleiman
Mel Kleiman

Everyone seems to agree that we need some type of immigration reform and we need it now. The only question is how many workers do we need with temporary worker status? The numbers support 200,000 or more.

I am not sure where that number should be, but when looking at the demand for workers in this country, the projected growth in the economy/employment, and the available workforce over the next 15 years (all of the people who will be entering the workforce in this country over that period of time is known because they have already been born)…I am sure a good statistician could come up with some basic figures.

Let’s do this differently for once and use scientific methodology instead of emotional/political methodology to solve the problem.

Roger Selbert, Ph.D.
Roger Selbert, Ph.D.

The most important trend in retail employment right now and going forward is the shift in focus from quantity to quality. Total industry employment is shrinking because of cost-cutting, consolidation, technology advances and the rise of Internet shopping. Those lower on the pay scale are the most affected. But industry employment is growing in higher-skilled occupations, including and especially those involved in the technical, logistical and managerial skills required to turn retailers into efficient, integrated, multichannel, merchandising and selling operations.

Retailers will increasingly have to scramble to find qualified employees who meet their needs, and then make competitive offers to get the people they want. With immigration reform or without it, the labor force growth rate will be slowing considerably in years to come.

My prescription: find, hire, train and grow your own talent. Create knowledgeable, motivated and satisfied employees to create satisfied and loyal customers. Then watch your business grow.

Camille P. Schuster, Ph.D.
Camille P. Schuster, Ph.D.

Businesses will not be able to shirk their responsibility forever on this matter. Not only are customs agents responsible for checking citizenship status, but US citizens need to show documentation of their citizenship for employment. Holding employers responsible for whom they hire seems like a logical step, although it is not what business wants.

s ss
s ss

I have not found Mom ‘n Pop businesses to be any more likely to violate labor laws than large chains and companies. The most recent raid in Massachusetts was at a clothing company that contracted with the military, over 300 illegals were taken into custody.

In fact, in every small town I’ve lived in, Mom ‘n Pops are most likely to employ citizens, because they know we’re all in this together.

Guest Worker is a disastrous idea. One only need look at the Mariana Islands for proof of that. Global Horizons, a company that trades in Asian labor, has already run into legal problems in Washington and has been banned from Israel. This is nothing more than legalized slavery.

40% of Americans make less than $11.00 [per hour]. The WSJ just reported that the median income for a 30 year old man is less than that of a 30 year old man in 1974. The poor are getting poorer than ever.

Costco has the solution, like it or not. In order for wages to go up, stockholder shares have to go down. The rich cannot continue their war on the poor, whether those working poor are here, in China or India, or coming over the border from Mexico. When we demand improved wages in our trade agreements, then the economies in third world countries will improve, and their workers won’t need to come here anymore. It’s just the biggest DUH ever, except for the one percenters who think they’ve inherited the entire planet and every drop of oil and stick of timber on it.

John Lansdale
John Lansdale

I answered late so I got to see the results. What a tie. Probably because no one really understands what the law means or even what immigration means. The “no opinion” = 0 votes told me more; that we’re suspicious of the influence peddlers in Washington who crafted this bill and we’re ready to attack any flaw. A natural behavior in a country where credibility has been stretched so thin.

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Two different retail employer worlds: those who follow I-9 requirements and other labor laws (minimum wage, time and half for overtime, etc.) seriously, and those who freely hire the undocumented, often ignoring overtime pay requirements, etc. Generally, large chain stores try to be in the first group, while mom and pop (including restaurant franchise owners, sole proprietor convenience stores, etc.) are often in the second group.

If the government was truly serious about immigration restrictions (regardless of the size of the guest worker program if any), and enforced the related laws, those in group 2 (the law evaders) would suffer more than those in the legit group. Many small retail business owners can’t compete effectively, so their total profit margin is equal to (1) underpaid wages + (2) underpaid sales tax + (3) underpaid income tax. The usual employer complaint that “no one will work this job so we have to get immigrants” is always based on the low wages offered. If all employers had to pay higher wages for unpleasant jobs, no one would be unfairly disadvantaged and the jobs would be filled.

Ryan Mathews

All businesses seem to want a version of immigration legislation passed that allows them to hire the undocumented without penalty. Not sure that’s a model that will fly any more.

Mel Kleiman
Mel Kleiman

Everyone seems to agree that we need some type of immigration reform and we need it now. The only question is how many workers do we need with temporary worker status? The numbers support 200,000 or more.

I am not sure where that number should be, but when looking at the demand for workers in this country, the projected growth in the economy/employment, and the available workforce over the next 15 years (all of the people who will be entering the workforce in this country over that period of time is known because they have already been born)…I am sure a good statistician could come up with some basic figures.

Let’s do this differently for once and use scientific methodology instead of emotional/political methodology to solve the problem.

Roger Selbert, Ph.D.
Roger Selbert, Ph.D.

The most important trend in retail employment right now and going forward is the shift in focus from quantity to quality. Total industry employment is shrinking because of cost-cutting, consolidation, technology advances and the rise of Internet shopping. Those lower on the pay scale are the most affected. But industry employment is growing in higher-skilled occupations, including and especially those involved in the technical, logistical and managerial skills required to turn retailers into efficient, integrated, multichannel, merchandising and selling operations.

Retailers will increasingly have to scramble to find qualified employees who meet their needs, and then make competitive offers to get the people they want. With immigration reform or without it, the labor force growth rate will be slowing considerably in years to come.

My prescription: find, hire, train and grow your own talent. Create knowledgeable, motivated and satisfied employees to create satisfied and loyal customers. Then watch your business grow.

Camille P. Schuster, Ph.D.
Camille P. Schuster, Ph.D.

Businesses will not be able to shirk their responsibility forever on this matter. Not only are customs agents responsible for checking citizenship status, but US citizens need to show documentation of their citizenship for employment. Holding employers responsible for whom they hire seems like a logical step, although it is not what business wants.

s ss
s ss

I have not found Mom ‘n Pop businesses to be any more likely to violate labor laws than large chains and companies. The most recent raid in Massachusetts was at a clothing company that contracted with the military, over 300 illegals were taken into custody.

In fact, in every small town I’ve lived in, Mom ‘n Pops are most likely to employ citizens, because they know we’re all in this together.

Guest Worker is a disastrous idea. One only need look at the Mariana Islands for proof of that. Global Horizons, a company that trades in Asian labor, has already run into legal problems in Washington and has been banned from Israel. This is nothing more than legalized slavery.

40% of Americans make less than $11.00 [per hour]. The WSJ just reported that the median income for a 30 year old man is less than that of a 30 year old man in 1974. The poor are getting poorer than ever.

Costco has the solution, like it or not. In order for wages to go up, stockholder shares have to go down. The rich cannot continue their war on the poor, whether those working poor are here, in China or India, or coming over the border from Mexico. When we demand improved wages in our trade agreements, then the economies in third world countries will improve, and their workers won’t need to come here anymore. It’s just the biggest DUH ever, except for the one percenters who think they’ve inherited the entire planet and every drop of oil and stick of timber on it.

John Lansdale
John Lansdale

I answered late so I got to see the results. What a tie. Probably because no one really understands what the law means or even what immigration means. The “no opinion” = 0 votes told me more; that we’re suspicious of the influence peddlers in Washington who crafted this bill and we’re ready to attack any flaw. A natural behavior in a country where credibility has been stretched so thin.

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March 24, 2006

Immigration Debate Heats Up

By George Anderson


President Bush wants Congress to pass a law that would allow foreigners to work temporarily in the U.S. and then require them to return to their home country once the work is completed.


Yesterday, the President, who is backed by groups representing the agriculture, foodservice and hospitality industries, said, “If you are doing a job that Americans won’t do, you’re welcome here for a period of time to do that job.”


Many in Mr. Bush’s own party want no part of any such legislation, preferring instead laws designed to tighten border security.


Amy Call, a spokesperson for Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn, said, “The most important thing is that we keep our borders safe, we keep America safe. It’s obvious there are drugs, there are criminals coming through those borders. There are also people from known terrorist organizations coming through those borders.”


Polls show the American public largely in favor of increased border security although a similar majority would support a guest worker program such as that described by Mr. Bush if foreigners were required to return to their home countries to register. 


Moderator’s Comment: What would be the impact on industries such as foodservice if illegal aliens were removed from
the workforce? Should the retailing and related industries be lobbying Congress and the American public to get a guest worker plan passed that is similar to that advocated by
President Bush?

George Anderson – Moderator

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Kara M. Maciel
Kara M. Maciel

Immigration is a large concern for employers across the country. Retailers, especially in the food service and hospitality industries, rely on a large part of their workforce from the immigrant communities. In fact, for many employers, these communities are the only source of labor for a number of jobs as many jobs pay either minimum wage or slightly above.

Employers need to strictly enforce all federal laws and requirements for eligibility to work in the United States for all new employees, including accurately completing I-9 forms upon hire. However, if retailers were forced to lose this labor base, many in these industries would be hurt and costs could rise significantly if employers are forced to increase wages to attract a different labor force.

Bernice Hurst
Bernice Hurst

This is not a uniquely American dilemma. In the UK, and most of Europe, I believe, illegal immigrants are desperately seeking work and primarily taking jobs that are otherwise unfilled albeit being taken advantage of and paid barely liveable wages. Working conditions are also very poor and gangmasters rife not to mention difficult to control. I think much of the fear people feel about illegal immigrants and allegedly insecure borders is something of a red herring. Many potential terrorists are native born to whichever country they may be considering attacking. It makes far more sense to me to find a way of filling jobs, fairly, with people eager to do them rather than to penalise people who want to work for the sake of the relatively few who are intent on doing harm.

The food industry in many countries relies on seasonal and unskilled or semi-skilled labour and for those millions of consumers demanding (or so we’re told) that prices be kept below rock bottom, the only way to supply that demand is to allow people who are willing to work for below rock bottom wages to do the jobs. It would be better all around to find a way of accommodating all requirements than to simply say no, we do not allow immigrants across our borders unless they follow the restrictions we choose to impose.

Mark Lilien
Mark Lilien

At one point in the mid-1980’s, Immigration agents pounced on a Chicago cab company garage checking for people’s right to work in this country. Within 24 hours, finding a cab in Chicago was close to impossible. Most cab drivers in all companies didn’t show up for work for fear of being deported. After a week of economic destruction (Chicago depended, then as now, on conventions and other business travelers, who don’t rent cars for use in such a congested urban area) the mayor made a deal with the Immigration people to stay away from the cab garages. Within 24 hours, everything returned to normal. Without undocumented people, food service, cabs, groundskeeping and certain low-wage manufacturing industries would be forced to raise compensation 25% to 50%. The current truck driver shortage started when numerous states began requiring legit social security cards to be licensed. It’s not that “Americans” won’t do these jobs. It’s that they want to paid decently. And you can’t seal the borders. People come in as college students and then stay to work. They come in as tourists and stay to work. Want to stop undocumented workers? Require employers to check their employees paperwork and enforce the effort using a reasonable number of inspectors. The current effort has so few inspectors that it’s violated at will.

Race Cowgill
Race Cowgill

You have all raised what I consider excellent points. One thing I have learned is that an issue like this involves many factors and dynamics, many of which are unseen or whose precise relationship to each other is unquantified. This is a question best answered by applying systems modeling, in my view.

But let me raise an underlying factor: I assume you are correct, those who have suggested that the jobs in question are not necessarily awful jobs, they just pay poorly. It reminds me of our data showing that the average retail organization wastes four dollars out of five that it spends on operations. Keep in mind that world-class retail efficiency still wastes two out of three dollars. Still, this is mind boggling. This is based on data, not conjecture. It means that if the average retail business improved their efficiency by merely 10%, they could increase the pay of every clerk by more than $2 an hour. Our test have shown this reduces turnover by an average of 20%, which would increase the average retail’s net income by 5%, including the pay raise.

Jerry Tutunjian
Jerry Tutunjian

The guest worker idea works if there’s a time frame (seasonal work) and if the number of guest workers is not in the millions. For decades Caribbean and Mexican workers have been coming up here, to Canada, during specific seasons, and working on farms.

The program is manageable because the number of guest workers is small and the time frame is specific. Once you begin of talking about large numbers, diverse industries and floating time frames the program becomes unmanageable, chaotic.

Rochelle Newman-Carrasco
Rochelle Newman-Carrasco

As some have said, let’s separate the idea of “illegal immigrants” from “legal non-citizens.” Guest worker programs and illegals are two different things, and yet they are treated as the same in the way the question was posed. We jump from an article about guest worker programs to a question about illegals. They are not the same. Working out systems to tap into foreign worker talent and to do so in a manner where the documentation and taxation is appropriate is quite a different manner than hiring workers that have no documentation and are being paid excessively low wages under the table.

It’s no secret that there are many industries that rely on the illegal immigrant population. That is a fact that needs attention and perhaps more guest worker programs as in the days of “braceros” and other such programs could move things in a more positive direction.

David Livingston
David Livingston

I think a good example is the rebuilding of New Orleans. Many of the evacuees have refused to step up and rebuild the city, so illegal immigrants have gladly come in to fill the void.

We have an exploding economy desperately in need of workers and without the help of immigrants who is going to do the work?

Just imagine the outrage if we cracked down on illegal immigration in Louisiana right now? I think the burden on society from illegal immigration is over exaggerated. The bigger problem comes from an over-generous welfare society that encourages our own citizens not to work.

Daryle Hier
Daryle Hier

In a perfect world, anybody could work anywhere anytime they wanted to but this isn’t a perfect world. To let illegal aliens take jobs “nobody else wants” and then send most of their money back to their homeland does our country a huge disservice. By the way, the damage this creates to our LEGAL immigrant system is tremendous and is a slap in the face to all naturalized American citizens. Plus, we already have a worker program, it’s called Green Cards.

Just an opinion but the people who need most of these jobs, which some of us might trivialize, are youngsters. It’s a bottom rung on the economic ladder that provides them an opportunity to move up.

I agree to a point that if illegal aliens weren’t allowed to work, the economic cost would increase – THAT’S HOW FREE MARKET’S WORK! In a working democracy, we have laws that must be enforced.

Kai Clarke
Kai Clarke

Follow the money! This is not just about border security, but instead about taxes. Tracking, and getting foreign workers to pay taxes would be a tremendous boost to federal, state and local economies. This translates into billions of dollars in federal, state and local taxes which could get collected from both employers and employees alike. Furthermore, these monies could be used to offset the cost of providing free medical, dental, protection, welfare and other services which illegal immigrants are eligible for even though they don’t contribute to supporting these. Recognizing and providing for a mechanism to track (and tax) short term workers would only help federal, state and local governments in monetary relief, as well as security assistance.

Joe Welnack
Joe Welnack

While seldom in agreement with President Bush, I find his proposal the only viable one dealing with this complicated problem.

My store does business with newly arrived immigrants who may not have burdened our overworked immigration officials with their presence here. That said, so-called “terrorist” arguments hold little weight. A committed terrorist will arrive on these shores with a legal status, as did those at the root of our national day of tragedy.

President Bush’s call for a civil debate is welcome, coming from a generally partisan administration.

This is not a political problem in as much as who we wish to become as a nation. I would favor a system where you have U.S. citizens and U.S. subjects; allow the immigrants the opportunity to work legally as U.S. “subjects” who can work toward citizenship by adopting our language and knowledge of history. Those who engage in felonious activities would be repatriated.

We must take into account that 99% of these folks are looking for the same opportunities and freedom our immigrant ancestors sought.

I salute President Bush on looking for bi-partisan solution and would hope it would spread to other areas of governance.

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Kara M. Maciel
Kara M. Maciel

Immigration is a large concern for employers across the country. Retailers, especially in the food service and hospitality industries, rely on a large part of their workforce from the immigrant communities. In fact, for many employers, these communities are the only source of labor for a number of jobs as many jobs pay either minimum wage or slightly above.

Employers need to strictly enforce all federal laws and requirements for eligibility to work in the United States for all new employees, including accurately completing I-9 forms upon hire. However, if retailers were forced to lose this labor base, many in these industries would be hurt and costs could rise significantly if employers are forced to increase wages to attract a different labor force.

Bernice Hurst
Bernice Hurst

This is not a uniquely American dilemma. In the UK, and most of Europe, I believe, illegal immigrants are desperately seeking work and primarily taking jobs that are otherwise unfilled albeit being taken advantage of and paid barely liveable wages. Working conditions are also very poor and gangmasters rife not to mention difficult to control. I think much of the fear people feel about illegal immigrants and allegedly insecure borders is something of a red herring. Many potential terrorists are native born to whichever country they may be considering attacking. It makes far more sense to me to find a way of filling jobs, fairly, with people eager to do them rather than to penalise people who want to work for the sake of the relatively few who are intent on doing harm.

The food industry in many countries relies on seasonal and unskilled or semi-skilled labour and for those millions of consumers demanding (or so we’re told) that prices be kept below rock bottom, the only way to supply that demand is to allow people who are willing to work for below rock bottom wages to do the jobs. It would be better all around to find a way of accommodating all requirements than to simply say no, we do not allow immigrants across our borders unless they follow the restrictions we choose to impose.

Mark Lilien
Mark Lilien

At one point in the mid-1980’s, Immigration agents pounced on a Chicago cab company garage checking for people’s right to work in this country. Within 24 hours, finding a cab in Chicago was close to impossible. Most cab drivers in all companies didn’t show up for work for fear of being deported. After a week of economic destruction (Chicago depended, then as now, on conventions and other business travelers, who don’t rent cars for use in such a congested urban area) the mayor made a deal with the Immigration people to stay away from the cab garages. Within 24 hours, everything returned to normal. Without undocumented people, food service, cabs, groundskeeping and certain low-wage manufacturing industries would be forced to raise compensation 25% to 50%. The current truck driver shortage started when numerous states began requiring legit social security cards to be licensed. It’s not that “Americans” won’t do these jobs. It’s that they want to paid decently. And you can’t seal the borders. People come in as college students and then stay to work. They come in as tourists and stay to work. Want to stop undocumented workers? Require employers to check their employees paperwork and enforce the effort using a reasonable number of inspectors. The current effort has so few inspectors that it’s violated at will.

Race Cowgill
Race Cowgill

You have all raised what I consider excellent points. One thing I have learned is that an issue like this involves many factors and dynamics, many of which are unseen or whose precise relationship to each other is unquantified. This is a question best answered by applying systems modeling, in my view.

But let me raise an underlying factor: I assume you are correct, those who have suggested that the jobs in question are not necessarily awful jobs, they just pay poorly. It reminds me of our data showing that the average retail organization wastes four dollars out of five that it spends on operations. Keep in mind that world-class retail efficiency still wastes two out of three dollars. Still, this is mind boggling. This is based on data, not conjecture. It means that if the average retail business improved their efficiency by merely 10%, they could increase the pay of every clerk by more than $2 an hour. Our test have shown this reduces turnover by an average of 20%, which would increase the average retail’s net income by 5%, including the pay raise.

Jerry Tutunjian
Jerry Tutunjian

The guest worker idea works if there’s a time frame (seasonal work) and if the number of guest workers is not in the millions. For decades Caribbean and Mexican workers have been coming up here, to Canada, during specific seasons, and working on farms.

The program is manageable because the number of guest workers is small and the time frame is specific. Once you begin of talking about large numbers, diverse industries and floating time frames the program becomes unmanageable, chaotic.

Rochelle Newman-Carrasco
Rochelle Newman-Carrasco

As some have said, let’s separate the idea of “illegal immigrants” from “legal non-citizens.” Guest worker programs and illegals are two different things, and yet they are treated as the same in the way the question was posed. We jump from an article about guest worker programs to a question about illegals. They are not the same. Working out systems to tap into foreign worker talent and to do so in a manner where the documentation and taxation is appropriate is quite a different manner than hiring workers that have no documentation and are being paid excessively low wages under the table.

It’s no secret that there are many industries that rely on the illegal immigrant population. That is a fact that needs attention and perhaps more guest worker programs as in the days of “braceros” and other such programs could move things in a more positive direction.

David Livingston
David Livingston

I think a good example is the rebuilding of New Orleans. Many of the evacuees have refused to step up and rebuild the city, so illegal immigrants have gladly come in to fill the void.

We have an exploding economy desperately in need of workers and without the help of immigrants who is going to do the work?

Just imagine the outrage if we cracked down on illegal immigration in Louisiana right now? I think the burden on society from illegal immigration is over exaggerated. The bigger problem comes from an over-generous welfare society that encourages our own citizens not to work.

Daryle Hier
Daryle Hier

In a perfect world, anybody could work anywhere anytime they wanted to but this isn’t a perfect world. To let illegal aliens take jobs “nobody else wants” and then send most of their money back to their homeland does our country a huge disservice. By the way, the damage this creates to our LEGAL immigrant system is tremendous and is a slap in the face to all naturalized American citizens. Plus, we already have a worker program, it’s called Green Cards.

Just an opinion but the people who need most of these jobs, which some of us might trivialize, are youngsters. It’s a bottom rung on the economic ladder that provides them an opportunity to move up.

I agree to a point that if illegal aliens weren’t allowed to work, the economic cost would increase – THAT’S HOW FREE MARKET’S WORK! In a working democracy, we have laws that must be enforced.

Kai Clarke
Kai Clarke

Follow the money! This is not just about border security, but instead about taxes. Tracking, and getting foreign workers to pay taxes would be a tremendous boost to federal, state and local economies. This translates into billions of dollars in federal, state and local taxes which could get collected from both employers and employees alike. Furthermore, these monies could be used to offset the cost of providing free medical, dental, protection, welfare and other services which illegal immigrants are eligible for even though they don’t contribute to supporting these. Recognizing and providing for a mechanism to track (and tax) short term workers would only help federal, state and local governments in monetary relief, as well as security assistance.

Joe Welnack
Joe Welnack

While seldom in agreement with President Bush, I find his proposal the only viable one dealing with this complicated problem.

My store does business with newly arrived immigrants who may not have burdened our overworked immigration officials with their presence here. That said, so-called “terrorist” arguments hold little weight. A committed terrorist will arrive on these shores with a legal status, as did those at the root of our national day of tragedy.

President Bush’s call for a civil debate is welcome, coming from a generally partisan administration.

This is not a political problem in as much as who we wish to become as a nation. I would favor a system where you have U.S. citizens and U.S. subjects; allow the immigrants the opportunity to work legally as U.S. “subjects” who can work toward citizenship by adopting our language and knowledge of history. Those who engage in felonious activities would be repatriated.

We must take into account that 99% of these folks are looking for the same opportunities and freedom our immigrant ancestors sought.

I salute President Bush on looking for bi-partisan solution and would hope it would spread to other areas of governance.

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